Hiring your first employee feels like growth — until it turns into a lawsuit, an insurance nightmare, or a compliance mess you didn’t see coming. Today, Gary Savine joins us to talk about building a law firm that’s not just profitable, but protected, scalable, and actually sellable. Gary, let’s start here — what’s the biggest risk firms take before they even realize they’ve taken it? Why should business owners involve an employment lawyer before making their first hire? What do most firms misunderstand about PEOs and co-employment arrangements? How can indemnity clauses quietly shift liability back to the business owner? What compliance risks come with offshoring employees or contractors? Why doesn’t labeling someone a “contractor” guarantee protection under foreign law? What exactly does EPLI cover — and what do most firms get wrong about their policies? Why can defense costs alone financially cripple a business? What does “eroding coverage” mean, and why does it matter as firms grow? What are insurers really looking for before offering strong EPLI coverage? How can updated policies, manager training, and recordkeeping lower both risk and premiums? What does it take to turn a solo practice into a scalable, saleable firm? Why is building systems now critical for layering AI and future growth? How is private equity changing the legal landscape? What mindset shift do younger attorneys need if they want long-term success? That’s all for today! Big thanks to Gary Savine for breaking down the legal, insurance, and strategic foundations every firm needs to grow safely and sustainably. If you want to build a business that’s more than just “a lawyer with a desk,” this is an episode worth revisiting. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a colleague who’s building their firm for the long haul. Thanks for listening, and we’ll see you next time. About Gary Savine: Gary Noah Savine founded Savine Employment Law, Ltd. to help job creators manage and litigate employment-related legal issues so that they can stay focused on their businesses and protect what they have built. Gary brings more than two decades of legal expertise and hands-on experience, working around the globe, shoulder-to-shoulder with senior executives and human resource professionals, solving the thorniest of workplace issues. Gary received his law degree cum laude from the University of Michigan Law School and his Bachelor of Arts with high honors in Political Economy from James Madison College at Michigan State University. Connect with Gary Savine: Website: https://savinelaw.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SavineEmploymentLaw/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/savine-employment-law-ltd./ X: https://twitter.com/savinelawTo contact Gary about a complimentary EPLI review, schedule time for a call with him at: https://calendly.com/riley-savinelaw/15min Connect with Ron Bockstahler: Email: ronb@amataoffices.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronbockstahler/ Company website: https://amatacorp.com/ “Don't Lose Your Balance” book: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Lose-Your-Balance-Business/dp/1964046467 Show notes by Team Podcastologist Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
Hiring your first employee feels like growth — until it turns into a lawsuit, an insurance nightmare, or a compliance mess you didn’t see coming. Today, Gary Savine joins us to talk about building a law firm that’s not just profitable, but protected, scalable, and actually sellable. Gary, let’s start here — what’s the biggest risk firms take before they even realize they’ve taken it?
That’s all for today! Big thanks to Gary Savine for breaking down the legal, insurance, and strategic foundations every firm needs to grow safely and sustainably. If you want to build a business that’s more than just “a lawyer with a desk,” this is an episode worth revisiting.
If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a colleague who’s building their firm for the long haul. Thanks for listening, and we’ll see you next time.
About Gary Savine: Gary Noah Savine founded Savine Employment Law, Ltd. to help job creators manage and litigate employment-related legal issues so that they can stay focused on their businesses and protect what they have built. Gary brings more than two decades of legal expertise and hands-on experience, working around the globe, shoulder-to-shoulder with senior executives and human resource professionals, solving the thorniest of workplace issues. Gary received his law degree cum laude from the University of Michigan Law School and his Bachelor of Arts with high honors in Political Economy from James Madison College at Michigan State University.
Connect with Gary Savine:
Website: https://savinelaw.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SavineEmploymentLaw/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/savine-employment-law-ltd./
X: https://twitter.com/savinelaw
To contact Gary about a complimentary EPLI review, schedule time for a call with him at: https://calendly.com/riley-savinelaw/15min
Connect with Ron Bockstahler:
Email: ronb@amataoffices.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronbockstahler/
Company website: https://amatacorp.com/
“Don't Lose Your Balance” book: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Lose-Your-Balance-Business/dp/1964046467
Show notes by Team Podcastologist
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.